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Standard overhead joins wrong...?


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ChrisB
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Having received the runway in use and circuit direction when close to an airfield I do some hurried mental gymnastics to work out how to approach for a standard overhead join. I recently discovered the SD “Make Approach” function and was very pleased to see there is a “Standard Overhead” join option.

The first time I used it in the air was arriving at Enstone. I selected Make Approach, Runway 26, Standard Overhead. A nice big purple arrow appeared “for guidance on where to join” (to quote the SD video tutorial). I started heading towards the arrow, but after even more hurried mental gymnastics realised I would be joining from the opposite direction to that required and made corrections.

I have since used the same function arriving at other airfields and they are all wrong. According to SD a standard overhead join is approached from the dead side, with descent on the live side to join the circuit. According to the CAA a correct standard overhead join is approached from the live side, with descent on the dead side to join the circuit on the crosswind leg.

This is more than just misleading it is plain wrong. At worst, a pilot following SD’s guidance would conflict with a pilot doing a ‘correct’ overhead join. At best he would be joining high on the downwind leg and making a total hash of the circuit.

I’ve attached below a screenshot from SD and a CAA diagram of a standard overhead join to illustrate my point. Comments welcome – is there something I’m missing here?

Chris




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DaveWhite
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What you are being shown is correct - the purple arrow shows you flying over the upwind end of the runway and turning right into the right hand circuit for 26.

The generic OHJ diagram you show is for a left hand circuit.

It's worth noting that the purple arrow shows your entry into the circuit from after you have joined overhead and descended deadside.  It can't show you the direction in which you join overhead because that will depend of course on the direction from which you approach the airfield.

I've never been a great fan of the generic UK CAA diagram because it only shows what you do when joining from the easiest direction - from the circuit side perpendicular to the runway.  All you do then is fly directly across the runway and descend (deadside), whereas it would be more helpful if it showed you the 'roundabout in the sky' that you should fly when approaching from any other direction, until you get to the point where you are heading towards deadside.  At that position you stop your turn in the 'roundabout', continue to deadside, descend and join crosswind.  (Apologies if that was teaching to suck eggs but it might help someone else)

Edited 9/5/2022 3:57:55 PM by DaveWhite
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